I've never seen you speak out, you mostly seem to just stand in line behind the rat bastards in power.
How old are you, and how old are you in the band pictures?
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I've never seen you speak out, you mostly seem to just stand in line behind the rat bastards in power.
How old are you, and how old are you in the band pictures?
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">21, that website is old as hell and i was 17 in it.Quote:
Originally posted by two drink minimum:
I've never seen you speak out, you mostly seem to just stand in line behind the rat bastards in power.
How old are you, and how old are you in the band pictures?
just the other day i spoke out about letting gay people get married and you said "right on". i don't see bush supporting that so i don't see how i fall in line.
Wow, 21. You've really spent some a long hard time giving back to the community.
Sure, you made it clear that you support gay rights, but I don't recall you fiercely attacking the administration, maybe I'm wrong.
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Three and a half years ago I befriended a man in a housing program that allows people to stay for free, but requires 15% of whatever money they are making to put in savings for when they get out of the program. This man had two young boys and a wife, and he told me that he did not wanted to work in the fashion industry, designing his own clothes. he told me that he did not want to have a boss and wanted to be his own. He told me that if he were to not design his own clothes and be his own boss that he would be a failure. I explained to him that the fashion industry is one that is very risky to get established in and that in his financial situation (and he is a guy that really was POOR) that it would be in his best interested to work in a business in which he could make money at, save it and think of his kids so that maybe one day they could pursue dreams like he has. For a long time he did not want to hear it, but I finally got him to agree to trust me. I helped him watch his budget and save enough to start taking some business courses at a community college with a two year program that he could afford. With that degree under his belt I helped him obtain a job at a local car dealership. After selling very well for a year he was moved into a management position. He know does well enough to afford his own housing and provide for his family. He is now mostly interested in saving for the education of his sons and understands my point of view and thanks me for my support. What have you done Mr. Caring?Quote:
Originally posted by two drink minimum:
Wow, 21. You've really spent some a long hard time giving back to the community.
Sure, you made it clear that you support gay rights, but I don't recall you fiercely attacking the administration, maybe I'm wrong.
Oh, and while I gave him much of my time for guidance and support, I never once gave the man a penny, and he often asked me for money. I have my views for a reason, they are what I believe to be right and I honestly can understand, by just looking at my views blankly and how staunch and dead set I am on them, why some people would think I'm a heartless asshole that doesn't care about people. I know that's not true and I know why I believe what I believe. But the saddest thing about this to me is that this man i helped out was mainly in his situation because his own father threw him to the streets. I can't dedicate the kind of time to every poor person that i did to him. But if we could inform people how to invest, save, sacrafice for what is best for their children, I think there could be many more stories like Joeseph's. But then again I'm just a heartless greedy prick that only cares about myself and my own god damn money right?
<font color="#FFFF00" size="1">[ November 09, 2004 11:16 PM: Message edited by: hour_of_darkness ]</font>
You obviously missed the direction of my post. Earlier you wrote
"go graduate high school, go to college on federal money, contribute to society and then talk to me."
See, I was trying to say that since you are only 21, it might be just a tad bit hypocritical for you to tell me I have not contributed to society.
But since you are asking...
I do a lot of work over at the Catholic Worker in Santa Ana. Most recently, I planned, raised money for, and installed a pretty large garden area with fountain and benches as a waiting area before the guests receive their food.
But I am reasonable enough to admit that my work doesn't make a big enough difference. You can pull one success story out, but it will only be just that, one story. This is a large country, with a lot of people in trouble. Nothing you or I can do by ourselves will make a sizeable difference, and you are not going to be able to convince everyone to put in a lot of effort into mentoring one person. That is why government exists. Government is in place to ensure the rights and welfare of its constituents, because one person or even a group of people cannot.
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">I'll give you that. I was taking your 21 statement as an attack saying I haven't done anything. By telling you to graduate high school and contribute to society, I didn't mean that you don't volunteer because I already knew that about you and that's great. What I was really getting at and being a bit of a smart ass about, was that you're not paying the kind of taxes that I am. I agree that not enough people will mentor one person. I'm not suggesting that is the answer. I think that our government should take more steps toward informing and teaching people the things I tried to show Joeseph. I beleive programs of that sort, giving knoweledge of how to save and invest for your own future, would be much more effective than putting money from people's paychecks into a social security fund that i don't think anyone can deny is going to be bankrupt soon. And even if it lasts, the type of money saved from that could be tripled by individuals if they were informed on how to invest it wisely in the stock market and other forms of investment. That is my point, not that I can change the world and that the government needs to die. Just social programs that are about distribution rather than educating, informing, and bettering. If people get informed and educated on how to do these things, than phasing out excess regulation and taxation will give them so much more money and oppurtunity to make investments for their future retirement. I guess I haven't made it clear enough that i think we need to educate people on how to manage their money. I tend to just say stop these social programs, but that's because i feel that we're not educating, we're giving money and in a sense discouraging this personal responsibility. But you're right, people need to know how to invest for this to work.Quote:
Originally posted by two drink minimum:
You obviously missed the direction of my post. Earlier you wrote
"go graduate high school, go to college on federal money, contribute to society and then talk to me."
See, I was trying to say that since you are only 21, it might be just a tad bit hypocritical for you to tell me I have not contributed to society.
But since you are asking...
I do a lot of work over at the Catholic Worker in Santa Ana. Most recently, I planned, raised money for, and installed a pretty large garden area with fountain and benches as a waiting area before the guests receive their food.
But I am reasonable enough to admit that my work doesn't make a big enough difference. You can pull one success story out, but it will only be just that, one story. This is a large country, with a lot of people in trouble. Nothing you or I can do by ourselves will make a sizeable difference, and you are not going to be able to convince everyone to put in a lot of effort into mentoring one person. That is why government exists. Government is in place to ensure the rights and welfare of its constituents, because one person or even a group of people cannot.
I think the government can educate people on it and start phasing out all the excess regulation.
Nice debates. By the way, 2 drinks, our soldiers do not have AK's (unless they collect war trophies)
<font color="#FFFF00" size="1">[ November 10, 2004 03:14 AM: Message edited by: wolfpits ]</font>
I just went back and read posts from page #1. That list compiled by Michael moore of all the fallen soldiers kinda pissed me off. At the end, when he said "May they rest in peace. And may they forgive us someday" to me is just blatent propaganda. What makes him even think that everyone on that list would feel like they have a reason to forgive us? For every dead soldier that Mr Moore uses to make a point, there are just as many serving in Iraq who are perfectly willing to die for their country. Thats what they signed up for and thats what they are willing to do if it came to that.
We are not talking about if the war is right or wrong here. WE are talking about the memory of fallen soldiers. Say what you want to say, but publishing that list of all fallen soldiers and then thinking you can speak for every one of them makes YOU look like a dick. Stick to making great movies, but dont turn into another quentin Tarantino because Everytime you open your mouth you look like a jackass. Your a brilliant documentary film maker so stick to what you do best.
--steve
<font color="#FFFF00" size="1">[ November 10, 2004 03:28 AM: Message edited by: wolfpits ]</font>
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Agreed. That is why I said it was a skewed perspective.Quote:
Originally posted by wolfpits:
I just went back and read posts from page #1. That list compiled by Michael moore of all the fallen soldiers kinda pissed me off. At the end, when he said "May they rest in peace. And may they forgive us someday" to me is just blatent propaganda. What makes him even think that everyone on that list would feel like they have a reason to forgive us? For every dead soldier that Mr Moore uses to make a point, there are just as many serving in Iraq who are perfectly willing to die for their country. Thats what they signed up for and thats what they are willing to do if it came to that.
We are not talking about if the war is right or wrong here. WE are talking about the memory of fallen soldiers. Say what you want to say, but publishing that list of all fallen soldiers and then thinking you can speak for every one of them makes YOU look like a dick. Stick to making great movies, but dont turn into another quentin Tarantino because Everytime you open your mouth you look like a jackass. Your a brilliant documentary film maker so stick to what you do best.
--steve
<font color="#FFFF00"><font size="1">[ November 10, 2004 03:28 AM: Message edited by: wolfpits ]</font></font>